samsonbigboy 10:02 Tue Aug 18
OPTA stats
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Encouraging Opta stats for the weekend. We had the most possession (70%) & were 3rd highest for total passes (468) behind Swansea and Arsenal, despite defeat. The DNA of the team is definitely changing. It'll take time to bed down, in terms of results, but it's a whole lot more attractive all of a sudden.
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Alex V
5:12 Tue Aug 18
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Trouble is that if you just look at goals scored you will tend towards very simplistic analysis. If you just bought players on goals scored you would never buy Carroll, Downing or Jarvis for example...
Erm... hold on.
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Sven Roeder
4:32 Tue Aug 18
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Possession stats in themselves should be treated as an indicator but one that is addressed further down the food chain of analysis.
It's a matter of working backwards.
Stat number 1 is goals scored
Stat number 2 is shots on goal
Stat number 3 is passes received and controlled inside the penalty area
Etc
Etc
Possession itself is probably about number 10
The ones further down should only be examined if the top ones aren't delivering suitable results
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Mr Polite
4:26 Tue Aug 18
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'I think the change in enjoyment is about more enjoyable players to watch'
In my case I can promise you, you are 100% incorrect.
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BRANDED
4:24 Tue Aug 18
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Also. If you have gifted players playing well I suppose its easy to say that you enjoyed watching it more?
I think the change in enjoyment is about more enjoyable players to watch. Although I am concerned about Cresswell.
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BRANDED
4:11 Tue Aug 18
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Admittedly he liked to play the beautiful game.
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BRANDED
4:11 Tue Aug 18
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Cloughie thought all you needed were the right players in the right position.
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Mr Polite
4:11 Tue Aug 18
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People who use stats to form an opinion are the same as right wrist watch wearers in my book.
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Far Cough
4:08 Tue Aug 18
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Would Bill Shankly have used stats?
Would he fuck
Football is a simple game made complicated by pseudo intellectuals who are ruining it
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Alex V
4:06 Tue Aug 18
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BRANDED 3:47 Tue Aug 18
Agreed. But then you're not complaining about statistics per se, but the way some people interpret them. There are lots of bad doctors, but that doesn't mean there can't be good ones, or that the medical profession is pointless.
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Far Cough
4:03 Tue Aug 18
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*Massive fucking YAWN
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Alex V
4:01 Tue Aug 18
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stewie griffin 2:21 Tue Aug 18
I agree that television has a massive problem presenting stats in a meaningful way (I know that first hand, as it was part of my job for many years). It tends towards over-simplified or irrelevant stats being massively over-interpreted.
But using your eyes only also has huge limitations, and is subject to all kinds of cognitive biases. For some things it may be better than others. Some stats will simply support what our eyes have told us much more simply, whereas others can be massively counter-intuitive. Given that clubs, pundits, gamblers etc depend massively on interpreting information about the game, it just seems sensible to me that it is done in a formal way by stats. And it doesn't have to override what we see with our eyes - it can complement it.
And the other factor - even if what we see with our eyes was perfect information, statistics would still be useful to provide the comparisons we need with other players and teams. We cannot watch all football with our eyes.
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Mr Polite
3:56 Tue Aug 18
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Of course that was plan to see just from watching it, but to have stats make you decide that is stupid
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Mr Polite
3:56 Tue Aug 18
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Exactly
And if anyone that looked at the stats and made their mind up that the football was an improvement from the last manager then they are an idiot.
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Lee Trundle
3:54 Tue Aug 18
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It seemed like every time we had a goal kick, Adrian would pass it to Reid, who was then put under pressure by a Leicester City player, and would play it back to Adrian who would then kick it out.
It all helps with the STATS.
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Mr Polite
3:48 Tue Aug 18
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100% Pass competition could be one pass that was 2 feet sideways.
It could 100 passes all 2 feet sideways.
So a pretty pointless stat unless you actually look at the passes completed and what they did.
Those kind of stats are for a certain kind of person... we all know who that kind of person is.
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BRANDED
3:47 Tue Aug 18
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Yes it is but it has little meaning.
Exhausted players need time to recover. Do you have the right diet and practice and exercise regime to deal with this?
A red card means the player won't play unless its overturned.
Possession just means you kept the ball for 70% of the game but still lost it.
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Alex V
3:44 Tue Aug 18
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>>> Hard data is goals scored, yellow and red cards, injuries and general exhaustion.
Isn't possession hard data too? As long as you accept the methodology used to create it? The same with passing - the passes that Opta register definitely exist.
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BRANDED
3:32 Tue Aug 18
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Well. You drove me to it.
That makes two boring twonks on a site that is riddled with them.
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Mr Polite
3:31 Tue Aug 18
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You boring Twonk
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BRANDED
3:26 Tue Aug 18
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But they're not stats.
A statistic (singular) is a single measure of some attribute of a sample (e.g., its arithmetic mean value). It is calculated by applying a function (statistical algorithm) to the values of the items of the sample, which are known together as a set of data.
In my example one call gave 10k of sales and 25 calls gave 1 k.
I could
A. Increase the number of the second kind of sales man so long as there is a margin between the sales and the costs I make money and so long as the sales men are good men.
B. The salesman who got 10k with one call is costing me so much and is so disruptive that I question his overall value.
There are so many factors that could make up the overall performance of a team that stats about one bit will not give the full picture.
For instance why not add in the stats about how much sex the players are getting or if their families health is affecting them or if they have gambling troubles or a lump on their left bollock?
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